global news: swedish questions and asteria?
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by chris jonadicus
Dear friends, hello.
So, my arrival in e-sweden was rather eventful.
some good people welcomed me in a very polite and friendly way. others, welcomed me in a formal, neutral tone.
and others, like zzzingo, outright insulted me (on more than one occasions), saying lies about me and accusing me of being a PTO member, while in reality, i have stopped so many PTO's, that it would make his head spin.
i've always been against dictatorships, against PTO's and always in support of democracy and of freedom of thought, and i will always be that way.
i will not tolerate such blatant lies and false accusations about me from rude, lying people.
but i digress.
lets see the social and political landscape of e-sweden so far :
to be fair, i will post newspaper articles from both sides of the argument...
from the nobel's point of view, their articles consist of :
https://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-president-bullies-and-thieves-in-sweden-and-asteria-2763321
https://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-president-state-of-affairs-in-sweden-2762810
https://www.erepublik.com/en/article/welcome-to-esweden-2763102
https://www.erepublik.com/en/article/the-new-and-better-pain-eng--2762400
https://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-nobel-thank-you-for-the-support--2763275
from the current government's point of view, (status quo), their articles consist of :
https://www.erepublik.com/en/article/swede-wars-episode-iv-k-bbel-2762891
https://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-regeringen-l-gesrapport-februari--2763733
https://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-regeringen-anti-pto-swe-eng-sp--2763224
https://www.erepublik.com/en/article/dags-att-st-pa-om-esveriges-ekonomiska-politk-i-grunden--2763731
so far, from the one side of the argument, i see the nobel people +supporters pushing for a more open government, with transparency for its methods/payments/laws/decision making, while nobel also wants e-sweden to not serve the asteria alliance anymore.
from the other side of the argument, the current government (status quo) rules with absolute power, commanding the top 2-5 parties as one unit, without any different opinions/views/decisions, and they treat anyone who disagrees with them badly.
is that a fair way to treat someone else? (for disagreeing with you?)
and ofcourse, the current government supports asteria 100%.
the big questions for the e-swedish people are :
1 )
what are your thoughts on asteria, CODE, pacifica, orion, or about other alliances of the game?
which ones do you like the most? and which ones do you like less, or even hate?
2 )
how would you feel that e-sweden would become a better e-country?
3 )
if you support the current government (status quo), in what ways it should improve in order to become better? if not, which alternative would be the best option for the e-country?
4 )
if you support the nobel party, what are your plans in order to help out e-sweden, and what will you do in order to make it a better e-country?
i think that all of e-sweden in general should talk more with eachother and, to try and find a common ground, along with some solution to all those problems.
also the position of CP, and the ministries should change from time to time, when the election time will come.
(for more variety and for a better balance in the power structure of the
e-swedish politics)
also, if you ask me, i think that you (the swedish players) should write more articles with english versions too.
just copy+paste your swedish articles in a translator, and boom! you will have it easily in a swe/eng version in no time, plus it would help your articles getting more readers/interactivity with the public too...
also, the erratic behaviour of some rude members of the government, kinda remind me the crazy posts of an old player, mr A.Emmerich, from e-austria.
(thanks to mr prince of austria for reminding it too, in his comments from an older article)
let me tell you about mr A.Emmerich :
link :
https://www.erepublik.com/en/citizen/profile/4948906
you see, this guy felt that he should maintain power at all costs and he would insult anyone who disagreed with him in every opportunity.
despite all that tho, he was still an important political member of the ''osterreich independence party'', and he was elected as CP two times.
but he eventually payed for his hubris, his rudeness and for his delusions of grandeur.
perhaps there is a lesson to be learned in here?
that the current government should listen to all sides of the argument and to try and cooperate with other parts of its society, so that all e-swedish people can be a united front against corruption, authoritarianism, and against any bad influence?
all i see so far is insults, petty comments and fighting, while calling others ''weak'' and ''stupid''.
both sides fight very much, and thats not very good, tbh.
but speaking of rude people, lets move onto a previous subject :
i later saw this post on mr wystan's profile, which was very important :
''Människor som av olika anledningar stör mig:
zzzingo
C3H5O3NO23
Gissle
sgt. buller''
or in the english version...
''People who, for various reasons, bother me:
zzzingo
C3H5O3NO23
Hostage
Sgt. noise''
link :
https://www.erepublik.com/en/citizen/profile/8391821
and while i dont know who the lower 3 people are, i can certainly see why mr zzzingo annoyed mr wystan.
for zzzingo spreads lies and insults to various people, even to new players who visit his e-country, a rather unpleasant and insecure behaviour, if you ask me.
so some people need to fix their behaviour, otherwise they will keep making enemies out of people, even from their own compatriots.
at this point, i want to thank nobel, and all the polite people that welcomed me in a friendly way, while i must recognize that even if he is a member of the current government, mr fairlyorange was a true gentleman, treating me politely and in a fair/neutral way, despite me being from a different party.
thats how you behave properly, my good people of e-sweden.
you need to take some lessons from him, in social etiquette and good manners.
as for nobel, they behaved nicely and in a very polite manner as well, while we openly discussed with them about various topics in the comments section below.
for now, i stop here, but i will keep investigating this interesting situation, and i will keep asking all the important questions.
thank you.
plz let me know your thoughts and opinions in the comments section, and please comment/vote/endorse+subscribe to my newspaper.
as for subscriptions: plz subscribe to my newspaper+ tell it to other people too...
(i sub for subs, so lets help eachother to reach the 1000+ subs achievement!)
until then,
-chris j. an irish player.
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Sounds like you have your fill of in game intrigue. Happy hunting 🙂
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question is why asterian cabinet and asterian country governments collectively attack a political group in sweden AKA Nobelkommittén and why is the swedish government calling a big group of returning swedish and danish players a PTO
1. Because you're conducting a PTO on one of their members
2. Because you're conducting a PTO on our country
Governmental changes occurs in a democracy which you say we are and in other countries not sure why it is considered a PTO in sweden right I forgot because you want to keep using the treasury as your personal wallet and getting those donations to your private accounts or whatever as most of your fake government explicitly already called quits on the game and wouldnt even play it wasnt for us I see people write today that havnt written a word in 6 years since zingo became president this is a good development for the world and all you want to do it cog the wheel for progress
No it's because you're inviting foreigners only to vote for you
so this did not occur before turn and aosama was invited become swedish citizens and play with an active community thank you for clarifying you have no idea what is going on only copypasting what jeps and zingo want you to say
i have to agree with persej here...
if its only a big group of returning swedish and danish players, and they wish to return to e-sweden, how is that a PTO?
usually, a PTO consists from foreign people from hostile e-countries and from various mercenaries that are put inside for nefarious purposes, and if that was the case, i would understand,
but so far nothing like this has happened...
so, why some people are so anxious, when this isnt a PTO, but merely a difference in the opinions between the pro-government officials VS the anti-government opposition within the political framework of e-sweden?
thats the big question.
There are screenshots in my only article showing them trying to invite foreigners from random countries on threcondition that they vote for them. One wanted to come here to trade, and said "I'd prefer not to vote, but I can if I have to". He was granted CS. The 2nd Commander in their MU is a devout dioist, dioists natural born enemy is Sweden. He's definitely hostile to the country as a whole.
They also have a tensency to spam "Giving out free CS" on their friends wall. In my article you will find a screenshot of someone refusing to join Nobel, and being denied a CS. So it's literally "Giving out free CS.. if you vote for us"
It's a textbook example of a PTO
Its delusional you ignore everything in front of you and just keep spewing garbage its textbox of the entire group of your 10 players with 70 votes why did you ignore that we where called a PTO long before anyone even joined our community
One major factor that makes other eSwedes dislike you that represent "Nobelkommittén" is the fact that a lot of you don't seem to be able to open your mouth (getting your hands within reach of a keybord) without a truckload of verbal abuse.
And the fact that you spend so much energy on actively destroying any war activity that you didn't decide on where to go when.
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thank you my friend!!
1)what are your thoughts on asteria, CODE, pacifica, orion, or about other alliances of the game?
which ones do you like the most? and which ones do you like less, or even hate?
Alliances should help out in both ways, so far we are only helping Asteria and our relationship is far to one sided, we give plenty but dont get anything of value back. This has to change, if it is by fixing the relationship with Asteria or by looking to join another Alliance or simply staying neutral like Spain time will tell when Nobel gets to decide.
2 )
how would you feel that e-sweden would become a better e-country?
Transparency and more power to the people. As for now we have 3 guys ruling the country with an iron fist for 6+ years. Sometimes they swap seats with each others. Nobody except them knows what happens with all our money and they refuse to show any numbers. They have been stealing money from the treasury for a long time and still do it on a day to day basis with the argument that its "their" money and they can do whatever they want with it. That has to change, big time. The arrogant and sloppy behaviour has to stop, period.
3 )
if you support the current government (status quo), in what ways it should improve in order to become better? if not, which alternative would be the best option for the e-country?
4 )
if you support the nobel party, what are your plans in order to help out e-sweden, and what will you do in order to make it a better e-country?
We will decide together what to do, as for my own opinions i wouldnt mind putting all the bandits in a dungeon and toss the key awat before the real work can begin. Rebuilding everything from scratch, new systems and new guidelines to rule a healthy country with 2023 standards.
and I wonder how you helped Asteria??
Asteria was not our concern until Asteria Cabinet wishing the life out of players IRL and ruling Countries inside the alliance interfere in swedish politics and insult our Committee
why would we support an alliance that does this
persej you are troll army. haw you know about asteria or asteria plans?? stop lying
we had prints from asteria HQ delivered to us anonymously where we are mentioned several times because the obsession with our Committee inside the alliance is sick
not to mention all that was mention in my post here was written directly to our players .com or on discord
just don't lie anymore. you are only spoiling tw. troll army
sparnuotasis we already know you are a troll making comments on behalf of mish0
One thing is easy to see, it's not an Asteria plan to wipe Russia....
@loban : an excellent analysis, and thank you for the in-depth answers to my questions.
i do agree with you, that the proper path of e-sweden's alliance issues would be either to try fixing the relationship with asteria or by looking to join an other alliance or simply to be staying neutral like e-spain does.
and yes, transparency, good communication and more power to the people are key moves in making any e-country/government better and more fair to everyone, from the top ranks, to the simple citizens.
the arrogance and corruption of the ''elite'' few has to stop, if you ask me.
a true democracy is the way to go.
1)what are your thoughts on asteria, CODE, pacifica, orion, or about other alliances of the game?
which ones do you like the most? and which ones do you like less, or even hate?
Pacifica was created to be the balancing power and had both USA and Russia as founding members as well as giants as Poland and Indonesia. Russia left more or less on the day for CODE and today I frankly think the reste of the members should take official stance and join Asteria or CODE.
2 )
how would you feel that e-sweden would become a better e-country?
To many complains about in-active government but to few do anything themselves. We need to activate us more and get more involved in important Asteria battles. We are working on this with B I T E R S daily priorities, Telegram and Discord channels. We are getting there.
We also need to activate the political parties, too many are sleeping now.
And we need to do more things fun. More meta. Air-hand outs sure but make it a bit more fun than just an excel sheet - write something, add a picture!
3 and 4 - must run IRL write later!
You forgot to mention you are the leader of the Swedish Wagner-Group
You mean your imported mercenary who still haven´t hit ONCE for Sweden...
It´s all to gain you medals and another vote.
I haven’t paid a dime for anyone to join SOG. Being nice and polite can also attract, you should try it!
@misho : mr misho, i thank you for answering to my questions, and for being polite about it.
you are behaving nicely, despite being in a different party/group and thats the important thing.
a small remark about your reply to question #1.
when you say that : ''I frankly think the rest of the members should take an official stance and join either Asteria or CODE'',
i think that this is a bit extreme.
having two absolutes isnt going to help anyone, and many small e-countries/small powers or even medium size e-nations could get wiped and obliterated on a weekly basis, if this was going to happen.
(due to the extreme hatred between asteria VS CODE)
such absolute dualities can be dangerous and they can tear people and e-nations apart.
in my humble opinions, i do believe that neutral alliances like pacifica are crucial for the game, as they provide a safehouse for any e-nation that wishes to avoid getting in the path of the asteria VS CODE duality.
thats why alliances like pacifica, nebula, orion, banana, wolf and others are so necessary. because they provide a choice and a balance of power in the e-world.
thank you on your feedback on the alliance's situation in the e-world,
and indeed, your suggestions for a more active e-sweden certainly sound interesting.
as for my question #3, i will be happy to hear what are your thoughts on it.
So let's see. You are joining Sweden and at the same time also joining the Nobel party, while claiming to be some kind of neutral part assessing the situation?
The party you have joined are responsible for things such as:
- Months of harassments and bullying against government members and any other Swede who dared to speak up against Nobel. (Thankfully this is less apparent and common now after many FPs and temporary bans from admins.)
- For 3 months been constantly fighting for the wrong side in all Swedish TWs to try to ruin the game experience for all active people here.
- While doing so also conquered a Norwegian region while taunted the Norwegian people.
- Tried to start a nonsense war against Denmark while also taunting their people.
- Fighting for the opposite side against Sweden in real wars.
- Accepting citizenship requests in condition that these people also join Nobel.
- Blackmailing allies of Sweden with faked screenshots.
- Pretended to be the government of Sweden in multiple instances to try to spread misinformation.
- Forged fake PMs that's been posted in articles and feeds to spread lies about Swedish government and other active Swedes.
- Registered multies to grow their party.
- Constantly spreading lies about the government, such as claiming that tax money are being stolen, which is completely untrue.
I call this PTO, and I also call you PTOer, and therefore, I don't wälcome you to Sweden.
I am happy that the Nobelkommittén has given people the power to speak up against tyranny but it is useless if they are always stopped or silenced from doing so
What are these statements about temporary bans and FPs are you so desperate to enforce the possibility to admin abuse because you have powerful friends that can remove posts and articles which doesnt break the rules but they are an inconvenience for you
You yourself have invited players from other states to your party and have been the president for the past six years You are not the real government this is your personal playground and you are playing dictator but you are blind to the reality because you been doing this for so long and kept telling yourself nobody else wants to do this
You are not allowing us or others to play the game as we please instead forcing us to follow your every command and think exactly like you or else be ostracized and bullied into exile or leaving the game
zingo is the real PTOer of sweden if anything a nobody who became president for life because nobody else felt like being president at the time and now have become so greedy for power bullying every real opposition to submission or quitting the game submitting a inactive superthief as president for 3 years as his puppet president while he was doing all the work behind the scenes
all cred to you zingo a criminal mastermind I was wrong for calling you a criminal fool which your accomplices jeps and superthief hold the title for
επιτροπή Νόμπελ President MoFA af eSweden Persej Fyromski
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@zzzingo : there you go again, calling me a PTO'er.
perhaps intelligence or perception arent your strong points, but if your mental issues are not the case in here, why do you insist on saying lies about me?
let me do a quick recap for you:
A ) you havent answered any of my 4 questions from my article, therefore your reply isnt helpful or informative, and its full of insults and false accusations against me, which essentially means that your reply in here is useless, like you.
B ) i was invited here by a friend, and i happened to join e-sweden under nobel as a neutral observer, as i am new member of this e-community.
if i joined the ''flashback sweden'' party, would it be fair for the other parties to call me a PTO'er, judging from your absurd standards?
C ) you claim that the screenshots where members of nobel insult others are ''true'', and yet when the nobel party provides screenshot evidence of insults sent to them/to other newbies by the government/top parties of e-sweden (aka from your group), than they are immediatelly false or ''fake''?
you also claim that any other evidence shown to allies of e-sweden by them is fake, such as the other, PM's that have been shown to us all, and you call them as ''fake PMs''.
cant both their screenshots/evidence be true, and yours?
how come their evidence is false, and only your evidence is true?
D ) and speaking of stealing and corruption,
can you prove to us that you and your friends in the government havent stolen any funds/state funds/treasury money, or any CC's, gold, or items, weapons?
can you prove to us that you and your friends in the government haven stolen any tax money over the 6+ years that you rule e-sweden in absolute power, without any changes and without any limitations?
if you can provide me with evidence of your innocence (aka=not stealing any funds/CCs/gold/weapons/items), then i will be happy to see you as innocent.
so far, i see zero transparency in how the government is dealing with its funds/tax money, and very little to no information on how things work out in the e-swedish government/system.
only the main 3-4 people in power take the big decisions, and the e-swedish citizens are the last to get informed about it.
no circular PM's of the e-swedish congress, no citizens circular PM's of weekly/monthly information, no chat announcements, and no articles that could be helpful in informing the public about e-swedish affairs.
so, you and your buddies are either honest, yet unable to inform your public, which would make you bad in your job despite your good intentions, OR, you could be hiding the truth because you are corrupt and you want all the power for yourself.
or you could be both things.
no matter how many times you say it to me, i am not a PTO'er, and im against all PTO's, as i've stopped countless of them for many years, and i will always stop them in order to protect democracy in the e-world.
people have been telling me for many years that you are a giant idiot and a bully zzzingo, and i didnt believed them.
thank you for proving them right! 😉
e-sweden welcomed me, and thankfully you are not ''all'' of e-sweden, you are just a sad little power-hungry man.
I'm in government and responsible for the direction Sweden has taken during the last years, so I don't think I'm the right person to give any answers without much bias.
You could have joined Sweden without joining and supporting a party here, which you didn't. You decided to become part of Nobel. A party responsible for all examples I posted in my first message. By doing so I would say they don't respect our democracy.
I haven't said that everything Nobel says or posts have been fake or lies, just the fact that these examples have happened and have been common. And I'm not sure what insults from our group of people you are talking about, as far as I know there have just been a single case of inappropriate comment from us.
No money has been stolen, it's just a made up lie. Obviously it's very hard for us to prove that not a single penny has been stolen. But here is the latest attempt, a report about the state money during December: https://www.erepublik.com/en/article/rapport-fr-n-riksrevisionen-del-3-2762854/1/20
Report for January is coming within a few days.
Last government article with latest info was posted 3 days ago: https://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-regeringen-l-gesrapport-februari--2763733/1/20
Important information is also posted in the country feed, PMs and Discord regularly when things happen.
Pretty amazing how you are acting like the majority of the members of Nobel, ignoring facts and making up lies.
@zzzingo : this article was about answers, helping out the public and trying to see what could work best for the benefit of e-sweden as a united community.
your lack to do that, or your refusal to suggest any viable plan for e-swedens unity and proper harmony/organization/mobilization show your laziness or inability to even do this simple task.
you say that :
''you could have joined Sweden without joining and supporting a party here, which you didn't''
yes, but i joined a random party while i was invited by my friends in e-sweden, and i chose to come in this one.
secondly, i want to become a congressman and to help e-sweden politically.
or is that not allowed?
tell me, if i joined the ''flashback sweden'' party, would it be fair for the other parties to call me a PTO'er, judging from your absurd standards?
or for the opposition parties to immediately declare me as corrupt and shady as you are often called in general?
third,
you say that :
''I'm not sure what insults from our group of people you are talking about, as far as I know there have just been a single case of inappropriate comment from us.''
yes there have been plenty of insults from the government to various e-swedish players as well, it ranges from the swedish government insulting/name-calling various nobel members (mostly), to other newbies for complaining that there arent enough TW's/battles and where some of your team call them ''weak'', stupid or noobs with low lvl accounts.
i could post that evidence too via screenshots, but i dont wanna clutter it up too much.
so you declare the angry comments/insults of nobel to your team as ''true'', and yet you refuse to acknowledge it when your team is doing it to other people.
thats denial.
cant both their screenshots/evidence be true, and yours?
how come their evidence is false, and only your evidence is true?
be realistic and fair, please.
four,
i see your economical management links, and they seem interesting, but perhaps an english version of the text/chart and some screenshots of the actual treasury before/after each term would help in seeing how things are in the economy/taxes/payments of e-sweden in a monthly basis.
so far, noone is included in circular congress PM's, we are not included even in a social group of e-swedish circular PM's, and we are not informed by the government (aka you).
you do a lousy job at informing your people on the e-nations economy, battles, TW's and status reports, not to mention on the immigration reports, where every nobel member seems suspicious, while every other recruit from the main 2-3 government-backed parties raise no suspicion at all, and we get no reports on who gets where, or who is approved by who, when the (current) government does it.
so far, you contributed with 0 information, half-baked thoughts and denial denial denial, backed up with laziness and insults.
is this how you run e-sweden? in that case, anyone can do your job, kid.
and if there is one person ignoring facts and making up lies, its you.
every other government official, from fairlyorange to misho, at least provided me with some helpful info and they attempted to show me their side of the story.
(they were polite too)
but you? you were only rude, useless and without any real evidence on credibility on what you said here.
i am very sad to witness that you are a pathetic guy who's just power hungry and has no more interests in the game than ''remaining in power forever''.
grow up.
We aren't getting anywhere in this discussion, so let's agree to disagree.
@zzzingo : certainly, we can agree that you are a product of corruption, nepotism, favoritism and uselessness... indeed.
you are a complete failure and a total idiot who lies through his teeth in order to maintain his power at any cost.
also, care to explain this economic wonder, per your ref sheet of e-swedens money laundering?
2,3 million SEK are sent out to the loyal supporters of the government/status quo in one go.
(note that swedens monthly revenue is about 2m.)
https://i.imgur.com/Q6exRpe.png
where did the rest of the money go?
and i havent even got to analyze the mass citizenship approvals that you +your buddies did for the main #2-4 parties of e-sweden, from multies/alts to mercenaries so that they can vote for your party and so that you can win your elections...
...forever.
you are deeply corrupt, stupid and power-hungry. (and a liar too)
you should admit that you are power-hungry and greedy at the very least.
Money was handed out to all active Swedish players for their activity in January, excluding those who constantly are fighting against Sweden in wars, which should be pretty logical.
If Nobel really did everything zzzingo says, hats off.
considering that zzzingo is a liar and a complete fool, then i wouldnt believe him at all.
nobel is a legitimate party of e-sweden, and so far there are no issues.
Great Article! You made an excellent description of the situation, pleasant to read and, most important, you helped trying to keep open the dialogue!
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thank you my good vigneron!
its always a pleasure to investigate a situation within an e-country, to observe what happens, to analyze it and to discuss about it with the directly affected individuals.
thats how proper research can be done about it...
we will see how it goes!
True words! If you need anything, you know you have my full support 😊
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thank you!
I would suggest to establish the AntiCoupintern Pact. Alliance of opposition players who fight against Plato, his TW boredom and the greedy players who hijacked their countries and threw under the service of such meaningless international organizations like Asteria and Code...
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